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Recently, I took my girlfriend to see Sparks at a venue in north London. The night began well, our mood bolstered by the party atmosphere of the occasion, which had been staged to mark the release of the group’s 21st album. As we entered, I noticed that the audience was composed mostly of middle-aged men, but at the time I thought little of this. Just another rainy summer’s night. The surprise was how much my girlfriend hated it. I watched with alarm her jaw set and countenance darken as bewilderment turned to discomfort/ anger/despair. On the way home we argued about the worth of the visuals, the tunes, the arrangements and a particular set of lyrics my companion took to be misogynistic, and which I defended as if they were the honour of all men everywhere.
Of course, the next morning we laughed (while agreeing never to speak of the evening again) and recalled that our first ever argument had been about music. Over the coming days, however, word began to reach me that we were not the only couple to be rent by a Sparks show this year. Could it be that Sparks are, at heart, a blokes’ band? Who would have guessed?
We all know they exist, but we seldom speak of them: artists whose fanbase skews violently towards one sex, frequently leaving the other irritated or just perplexed. On the men’s side, the Smiths spring to mind as a band whose devotees tend to be male, others being Led Zeppelin, the Fall and geezer’s geezer Neil Young. On the feminine side, scarcely a man on earth professes to understand the appeal of Barry Manilow or his inheritor James Blunt, while mere mention of the name Alanis Morissette has been known to induce hives.
Male friends have noted that you seldom see many women buying albums or attending gigs by instrumental “postrock” acts such as Tortoise or Godspeed You! Black Emperor. A number of women nominated Pink Floyd and Steely Dan, one describing a show by the latter at the Hammersmith Apollo, during the interval of which she knew the joy of using a women’s loo sans queue for the first time in her life, while men waited their turn in the corridors.
Against that, I still recall watching what appeared to be some mysterious female rite when Take That played Wembley Arena in the mid1990s, then doing the same again a decade later, feeling no nearer enlightenment. Tori Amos, Joan Armatrading, Justin Timberlake, Simply Red: all appeal to notably more women than men.
Assuming we accept such patterns exist, the question is why - and do theysimply reflect social and cultural influences? Or could the teenage male’s attachment to heavy metal contain a biological dimension, sure as bad skin and bum fluff?
A vox pop of music fans threw up many theories. One male respondent, a music manager, suggested the defining factor to be men’s need to confer “importance” on the stuff they like. “Women don’t have that,” he says. “Women like pop, which men tend to consider throwaway - the irony being that little of the music that has ever been considered ‘important’ has stood the test of time. I mean, nobody makes musicals about Wishbone Ash, do they? They make them about Abba.”
So perhaps women, expecting their musical preferences to be taken no more seriously than other concerns traditionally associated with their sex, see no point in freighting their tastes with significance, thus avoiding the scourge of pretension? It’s possible. A female photographers’ agent and former music-biz press officer, asked to offer single-phrase comments on a range of artists including Neil Young (“whiny”), the Fall (“miserable northern gits”) and Led Zeppelin (“hahaha”), confessed to anxiety that she was being tested on her musical credibility, sighing: “I was nervous because they all sounded like ones you’re ‘supposed’ to like and I feel slightly guilty about not liking. It’s also, I think, that most women respond to music from a different place to a lot of men. Women mostly think, ‘Oh, I love this song!’ There’s no corresponding urge to collect all others like it and arrange them into alphabetical order.” Recent research suggests that an infant’s ability to recognise musical sounds and notes precedes language, but employs the same mechanisms. When we talk to a small child, we vary the tone and pitch of our voice more than normal, until these exchanges become, in essence, musical. Some have tried to argue that this explains our love of music, although it’s just as likely that we’re preprogrammed to develop and learn in such a way. This thought does raise the question, though: if we talk differently to our baby boys than to our girls, as we very well might without even realising, could we be predisposing them to different types of music later in life?
Take heavy metal, which in my own youth marked a distinct border between most male and female tastes. I’d assumed this to be somehow eternal, but it’s not: a straw poll of teenagers reveals that modern girls are as likely to adore metal as their boyfriends. Nicola Dibben, who directs an MA course in the psychology of music at the University of Sheffield, provides an explanation for this. Throughout our lives, but particularly in adolescence, we use pop music as an important marker of who we are and who we would like to be. Thus, two things are happening psychologically when we listen to a piece of music by a particular artist: “First, we’re hearing it in terms of what’s acceptable within the conventions we live by - of what the artist represents. Then, we’re making a decision as to whether we want to identify with that. So, for instance, heavy metal sounds loud, strident, powerful ... qualities we associate with masculinity. But, as a woman, I might say, ‘Well, I’m feeling powerful and strong today, so this is what I want,’ and I’ll buy into it.”
Asked whether gender differences still exist among teens, my 14-year-old daughter, Lotte, mutters darkly that boys can usually be relied upon to shun bands containing or fronted by women, such as Paramore, and singer/songwriters like Kate Nash. Interestingly, she herself thinks it would be “weird” if a boy liked Kate Nash too much.
In fact, “masculine” and “feminine” appear to be more useful constructs in this context than “male” and “female” - a notion that Raymond MacDonald, professor of music psychology and improvisation at Glasgow Caledonian University, elaborates by introducing the concept of “masculine” and “feminine” brains. This has the side benefit of explaining why my postbag is likely to be full of missives from men who love Michael Bublé and female Smiths fans tomorrow morning. It also takes the issue of gay preference right out of the equation.
Not long ago, he says, the head of BBC 6 Music came to him, wanting to know how the station might increase its share of female listeners. MacDonald then got into trouble by publicly stating the playlist changes that needed to be made in order to achieve this - at which point he was accused of pandering to stereotypes. “People get very heated on this topic,” he says, “as music in this country is such an important marker of who we are, and there is so much variation within gender. But increasingly it looks to us as though it’s not gender, but what we call ‘cognitive style’ - brain type, if you like - which is a better predictor of music preference.”
This presupposes two distinct types of brain, one with an in-built talent for systematising, the other for empathising, and it seems to make sense when applied to the world. “It just so happens that more males have a systematising brain, and more women an empathising cognitive style,” MacDonald says. “Which is why you get a lot of ambiguous results when you look at gender alone, as our brains vary within gender, meaning that a particular woman might respond to music in a typically ‘male’ way.”
MacDonald, a musician and fan himself, hopes that research being conducted with his colleague Dr Laura Mitchell will establish musical preference as an accurate predictor of cognitive style. As to whether this characteristic is innate or learnt, we don’t yet know, but anyone who has read Norman Doidge’s brilliant The Brain That Changes Itself (Penguin), in which the author makes a convincing case for our brains being far more “plastic” and malleable than previously supposed, will suspect that our predispositions can be changed through experience, either way. So the good news for Kate Nash is that my daughter’s boy friends may yet learn to love her.
ARTISTS THAT WOMEN LOVE BUT MEN HATE
JAMES BLUNT The new Barry Manilow
TAKE THAT Safe sex on a stick
CAT STEVENS The thinking woman’s James Blunt
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE It’s all in the hips, apparently, even if he does
sound like Michael Jackson
JOAN ARMATRADING An original: the mama of confessional balladry
TORI AMOS The female brain in extreme
ALANIS MORISSETTE They say Sir Alex Ferguson learnt the hairdryer
treatment from her: sends men fleeing for the hills
SIMPLY RED ‘At least holds out the promise of good sex,’ says one
respondent
JANIS JOPLIN Sixties soul icon or overwrought shouter?
EARLY GENESIS Before they got all serious and jumped to the boys’ side
ARTISTS THAT MEN LOVE BUT WOMEN HATE
NEIL YOUNG Maverick übergeezer to men; whining Worzel to many a woman
THE SMITHS Arch chroniclers of the 1980s crisis in masculinity
AUTECHRE Representing ‘intelligent dance music’: a redundant concept to
all but the straight white male
TORTOISE Instrumental postrock: so much better with a beard to stroke
THE HOUSE OF LOVE And other shoegazers of the 1980s. Most women have
got enough post-post-adolescent angst at home already
THE FALL The male brain in extreme
STEELY DAN The male brain in extreme noodle-vision
JOY DIVISION The male brain in meltdown
GANG OF FOUR The male brain after reading Gloria Steinem
LED ZEPPELIN The male brain removed from the equation altogether
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-Most comments are probably in disagreement of the lists.
-Music is becoming less sexist these days
I think - in general - dramatic storyteling (about (wo)men/husbands/wives/girlfiends/boyfriends and their feelings) (fe)male artists do appeal more to women as they are more interested in that.
Boki, Utrecht, Netherlands
Interesting article, and the comments demonstrate the point about musical tastes being shaped by brain type rather than gender. Dont know quite where I fit into this as a gay man that loves country and western music (which my partner hates!)
Peter, Auckland, NZ
That's because you chose the lamest things under the women's category! Do more women than men listen to Feist? Or Cat Power? Or Peter Bjorn and John? I'll take the men's list any day...
Claire, Edinburgh,
I completely agree, my girlfriend hates the music i listen to. But Janis Joplin is not that bad hah.
Gary, Amsterdam,
Gwen from Seattle:
"An all-fem Steely Dan cover-band?!!"
That's about the coolest thing I've ever heard!
Will you marry me?
Russell, Brooklyn, NY, USA
Neil Young,"uber-geezer" (Is that some trendy word thang)? Men hate Janis Joplin? And such cheap reduction of the wonders of Steely Dan/The Fall. I presume by "early" Genesis you mean the Peter Gabriel years so how dare you claim they were NOT the serious ones. We are on different planets thank god!
helen , ibiza, spain
This is very silly. 'Masculine' bands like Joy Division have always been favorites of mine. And I do collect everything I get my hands on. My Amos-loving husband groaned under the weight of 1000 cds when I brought them to the UK from my home in the US, and there are still six crates of LPs to come.
Amanda, Gateshead, UK
I went to all the 21 Sparks' shows and the audience changed depending on the album. The early shows were male - both hetrosexual and gay. But as the shows went on it became a huge mixed audience. Lot of the songs do deal with 'male' (Mael) identity, but it's done with great humor and style.
Tosh Berman, Los Angeles, USA
Sorry, but what a silly article. I absolutely loathe James Blunt, have no time for Take That or Alanis. And please, Barry Manilow? Don't make me laugh. Led Zeppelin is one of my favourite bands ever. Yes, I am a girl. People just don't know anything about music, period.
Regina, London,
Of course they make musicals about Abba, Who goes to musicals?
Most metal that "modern girls" listen to is basically 90's boy bands in different make up and carrying a guitar, as was 80's hair metal. 6music needs a clearout, its tired!
It wasonce the sign of a good gig if female free, No longer:)
Jason, Ireland,
I have 369 CDs, and uncounted cassettes. I am a 25yr old girl. List includes a number of more masculine bands, and whilst I can appreciate the value of the argument, I sincerely doubt myself to be the one exception that proves the rule. Joy Division, the Smiths, and Godspeed, OH MY!
Laura Wilding, Leicester, England
It's one of the biggest myths in music journalism that only men like Morrissey and The Smiths. Go to the most visited Morrissey forum on the web and you'll find that the majority of posters are women.
Tess, London,
Men like to sing along to their favourite music in the fantasy that they actualy ARE Robert Plant, Mick Jagger, Tom Jones or whoever, so that explains why they often don't like female singers. The octave is too high and the words can be feminine too - e.g. "Dancing Queen".
Andy , Chichester, West Sussex
Even though your Love and Hate lists are all messed up, I am happy to read an article that is trying to *differentiate* women from men rather than insisting we're all one big blob of protoplasm. Better luck next time.
Cat, New York,
I detest James Blunt, Take That, Justin Timberlake & and Genesis (early or otherwise) & love The Smiths, Joy Division, Autechre, Steely Dan & Led Zeppelin along with numerous other artists, which judging by your tendency to make sweeping generalisations, you would also deem to have a male fan base.
Lilly, Waterford, Ireland
WHAT?! Joy Division and The Smiths are if anything girl bands! All my BFFs can sing Girlfriend in a Coma word for word.
And steve...wish you could see my music collection.
Errin, NYC,
Female and I LOVE The Smiths. I've seen Morrissey/The Smiths live loads of times and many many women have been there and not just as couples.
Heather, Lancaster,
Maybe your girlfriend didn't like the Sparks because she wasn't even born when their early records came out.
I am a girl, and I hate James Blunt, while I love Joy Division, Neil Young and The Fall. How do you explain that?
Marité, Milan, Italy
What is also very evident is that men collect music, women don't! Have you ever known a lady with a large record collection?
steve wehrle, london, england
Early Genesis was never liked by women .Mike Rutherford once said that he never saw any women at the early concerts.Only after they started doing shorter and poppy sort of songs did women start showing any intrest in them.
geoff, wallington, uk
People love to play the "sexist" card. One can point out differences and trends without being sexist. You are anti-debate.
As a further observation the womans' list seems is of artists who rarely produce experimental music and vice vera. Whether this is indicative of general attitudes however...
Adam , Huddersfield, uk
I'm 21 and from south Wales and none of my girl friends like the artists on the female list. I am a huge Morrissey, Gang of Four and Joy Division fan but I am also very feminine.I think women buy different music because of the way music is promoted and what is expected of us as women
Gemma, Cardiff,
My wife and I are in our mid-fifties and grew up with Led Zeppelin The Stones etc: I can relate totally to this article in fact if ABBA was in the women's list it would be like looking at my wife's CD rack. She now says she only pretended to like the music in my record collection.
Mick , Leeds, UK
aargh, what an innaccurate load of sexist gabble. some of my favourite bands are listed amongst those i am supposed to love and those i loathe (mainly james blunt and simply red) in those i should love. i pride myself on my fantastic taste and knowledge of music.
Rhiannon, Abergavenny, UK
You can not be serious? Maybe you have a circle of female friends who are subject to this media conditioning? Why am I one of thousands of women regularly attending rock/metal gigs/festivals? Men whose taste is classified as 'women's' would probably keep quiet due to this sexist stigma.
Karen Colombage, Reading, ENGLAND
I'm a 20 year old female and I hate the women's list, and I like The Smiths, Joy Division and Gang of Four who happen to be one the men's list. Obviously I'm not the typical female but it's ridiculous to stereotype music by genre.
Kylie, South Wales,
What a lot of nonsense! I am a 51 year old woman and if my children bought me a Michael Buble CD, I would use it to scare the birds at the allotment. My husband likes Alanis Morrisette. I don't.
ann ovens, aylesbury,
I also dislike the bands on the women's list. (Mick Hucknall - ugh!). Neil Young and Steely Dan are excellent musicians still, saw them last year with my hubby, we are 55 and 56 so 'grew up' with them. We both like Foo Fighters now. I love death/ thrash metal. He hates it. No accounting for taste.
Val Grimshaw, London, UK
I'm a 21 yr old female & in your article you mention 4 of my all time favourite bands/musicians. The Smiths, Neil Young, Led Zeppelin & Joy Division have all had a huge impact on my life- especially The Smiths. There's no room in my record collection for the likes of James Blunt, thank-you!!!
Lyndsey, Nottingham, UK
I dislike all the choices on the women's list too. I do like godspeed your black emperor. Loving explosions in the sky, okervile river, british sea power. Can't stand house of love though!. Most girlfrinds love take that etc.
Helen, Norwich, UK
This must explain why I still can't get together a GOOD all-fem Steely Dan cover-band. I'm female, 26, a professional musician (writer/arranger/producer)- Steely Dan came into my life at age 12 & turned everything upsidedown for me (in the best way).. I dislike all bands on the "women list"... oops?
Gwen, Seattle, WA, USA