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The controversy over using free plastic shopping bags is deflecting attention from more urgent environmental issues, according to the co-founder of one of Britain’s leading online retailers.
Jason Gissing, co-founder and chief financial officer of Ocado, the grocery delivery company, said: “There’s a strong case that we should stop worrying about plastic bags and start focusing on where our electricity generation comes from in this country. We should have a nuclear debate rather than worrying about whether a retailer is charging 5p or 10p for a plastic bag.”
He said that the argument over charging for the bags was important because it showed that individual consumers can make a difference, but pointed to other issues that he believed also warranted attention.
He said: “There are certain things that I believe the Government should do, whether it's around the subsidies of farming, whether it's around the source of our electricity in this country…[or] waste disposal.”
The row over plastic bags erupted earlier this year when Marks & Spencer’s decision to charge customers 5p for each bag was followed by a pledge from the Prime Minister to make retailers charge for carriers, and a promise to back up this stance by Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, in the Budget.
Speaking in an interview for The Green Rush, a new series on business and the environment launched yesterday on Times Online, Mr Gissing was also sceptical of businesses that talked up their green credentials.
“Every single large business has jumped on this green bandwagon. I think consumers are right to be cynical because actually I think a lot of it is complete rubbish,” he said. “There might be a handful of individuals in these companies that care about the environment or the effect but, by and large, businesses are in the business of making money and they don’t really care about the costs and consequences of that.”
He conceded that the same charge could be levelled against Ocado, which, as an online-only operation, with its fleet of brightly coloured delivery vans, its closely-guarded list of celebrity shoppers, and its environmental and organic pledges, is a brand of the moment. But he said the company was trying to stress its differences from other retail players.
Mr Gissing said he would be “saddened greatly” if consumers decide they cannot afford to consider the environmental impact of their purchases as the economic downturn continues to squeeze household budgets.
“I think you have to be sanguine and just say, look, if there are things [environmental initiatives] that get sacrificed, they clearly weren't being done very well in the first place”, he said.
He added: “That's again going back to a government responsibility, to look at some of this stuff and say, 'we have to make sure that there are proper incentives in place to focus people on the most important things.'”
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In Ireland, my home state, we pay 0.15 for each plastic bag. It cuts down on the enormous number that people would use if they were free, and doesn't cost the taxpayer a great deal because we use recyleable shoping bags and cardboard boxes to avoid the charge. It has also tidied the place up, a LOT
chris, shannon , Irlenand
They're bags are 100% biodegradable which you can give back to the driver who takes them back to be made into new bags for re-use if you don't bin them.
They also run their vans on bio-diesel which is sourced carefully and also use CHP (Combined Heating and Power), better carbon footprint reduction
Lyn, London, UK
I understood that Ocado's bags are 100% recyclable and made of corn starch or similar?
Moreeta, Ringwood, United Kingdom
I have a simple solution. I never buy more than I can carry in my hands and pockets. Saves me a fortune and means I shop locally and always buy fresh food. Try it....
Phil Mann, Newcastle upon Tyne,
So, if marks and spencer are so righ on and keen to cut down on plastic bags, then why do they have their advertising on them? If they are so green should they not want to disance themselves from those that use them, rather than cover them with their adverts. How do you spell hypocryicy?
John Orrett, Newsham Farm, UK
Ocado deliver our food every week but insist on using a vast amount of plastic bags
Surely it musnt be difficult to devise a system which does away with the need for these bags at very little cost
Ocado talk a lot but pollute greatly
Gordon Moore, nottingham,
Making plastic bags uses naptha, a by-product of refineries, which would otherwise get flared off as useless. And anyone who says they last for ever should try to carry their groceries in an old bag.
Tony Edwards, Road Town, Virgin Islands
Paying attention to use of plastic bags is not entirely a distraction. If a customer accepts the offer of a free plastic bag - sometimes for something as small as a chocolate bar - it is yet another resource consumed without thought for the bigger picture. People think more when it costs them not to
Kevin, London,
Of cousre he's right, it's costing the taxpayer yet more millions of pounds to pursue an issue debated in the Scottish Parliament over a two year period before being rejected. They commissioned an independent report which concluded that there would be no environmental benefit in taxing plastic bags.
Bill MacDonald, Livingston, Scotland