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Sir, Bill Rammell, like many other government ministers, is living in La-La land (letter, July 23).
Many university graduates, particularly in the “hard” sciences, will almost certainly be in their early thirties before their income is even remotely near that of the skilled trades such as plasterers, carpenters and plumbers. The graduates for several years will be on mediocre salaries while having to pay back the thick end of £30,000 for the privilege of their degree.
Meanwhile, the tradesman, with little intellectual effort compared with that required for a degree in, say, in engineering, will have completed his further education by the time he is 20 (with no fees to pay back), and will be able to command very good money almost straight away. In the years that the graduate spends on a low salary, paying back his university fees, the tradesman will probably be firmly established on the property ladder. The graduate would have to do a lot of hard running in his thirties and forties to catch up — if ever.
The Minister of State for Lifelong Learning, Further and Higher Education needs to get out in the real world and take a reality check for himself. The advantage of a university education is, unfortunately for many these days, an illusion.
Bill Parish
Hayes, Kent
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Perhaps Bill Rammell should promote trade experience first with its associated income, then go onto University. I did just this in my early fifties when made redundant from my engineering job. I am now pursuing a PhD after completing an MSc in Telecoms, looking forward to an academic career!
John Divine, Leicester, UK
I agree, my son is almost a qualified electrician and he is not quite 19 years old. Unfortunately apprenticeships are like gold dust and difficult to find. The government should be encouraging them, rather than channelling everyone into university.
Jenny, Reading,
I agree with Bill parish. My early years were trade based as an airframe craftsman. I studied all my working life and have university degrees to show for it but never got caught in this graduate trap where low pay still uses the intelect for free.
Will, Worcester,
Well fine - if you want to spend every day of your life mending lavatories or filling buckets with white powder and water and slopping the result on walls just to 'get on the property ladder'.
eric campbell, harrogate, uk
Well said Bill. I am a lecturer at a UK University and many of my students would be much more suited to a good trade than intellectual pursuits.
Alistair, Ferney Voltaire, France
As a University lecturer, I too agree that this is a ludicrous situation. The Government has pushed the degree as "the thing to have", to the extent of eroding the value of more vocational qualifications, and then taken away financial support as it would be "too costly". The result is that those who really *should* be taking a degree are left with a sizable debt, and left wondering whether it was all worth it or not. If we look abroad, say Germany, the situation is completely different.
Dave, Edinburgh, Scotland
My own children's experiences bear this out. No 1: 2:1 in trad arts subject - now doing nursing training after 5 years of underemployment. No 2: completed engineering apprenticeship - no student loan, earns good money and has good prospects. No 3: 2:1 in Business and IT, good job, but big debts.
Gill, Southampton, UK
Bill, you are absolutely right. Degrees are useless.
I graduated at age 22 in 1984 with a joint honours degree, an upper second, in Economics and German.
By the time I was thirty I was written off as unemployable. I have had only one job interview since, and that was a couple of months ago.
Michael, Brighton, UK